Thursday, January 24, 2008

J-Mac offers little learning, lots of controversy

Note: this is the expanded version of the article published in the printed version of Inter Alia. The opinion is that of the author's alone and does not represent the opinion of the editorial staff, SBA or the University of Idaho.

by Josh Studor

Few quotes from law school will stand out like one Professor James McDonald said during one of his Spring 2007 Constitutional Law classes: “Are there any Republicans that are not evil?” Sadly, that may be one of the less offensive things he’s said in class in recent years.

There just isn’t a great forum for expressing displeasure with a professor. There is no “rate a prof” forum or a new tenure committee hearing to discuss how his ridiculous behavior distracts from the message – if there even is one. We have the opportunity to fill out course evaluations but an old, tenured grump like Jimmy Mac doesn’t give a damn about what students write about him. Rather, the only forum is this one.

I’ve had Jimmy Mac for two classes. Yeah, I was a sucker. I took Con Law II from him after having a really great experience the semester before in Con Law I, which was taught by departed professor Russ Miller (who Mac refers to as Prof. Russ). I was appalled by the Jimmy Mac’s class and swore I would never take another class from that man. But a variety of people assured me that he was “way better in Federal Courts.”

He wasn’t.

And he wasn’t any better to the 2Ls this year for Con Law either. The wide variety of ridiculous statements my Mr. Mac is astounding still.

“You would feel differently if you were a Japanese American” – said to Kinzo. (He responded: “I am.”)

“What if I called you a ‘Fucking Nip’” – said to Kinzo.

“You can’t be a Republican and be a decent human being.”

“California is Californicating the North West.”

“Well then, you’re an idiot” – said to RJ in class.

“Instead of giving [mentally ill patients] meds that make them worse, we should lock them away in padded rooms.”

“You hate [poor/black] people, don’t you.”

For those of you fortunate enough to have not suffered through one of his more manic episodes… I mean classes, let me give you what I remember to be a typical class:

The class starts when Jimmy Mac comes in the classroom early and writes a series of words on the chalkboard that indicate his “lesson plan” for the day. Sometimes they are case names, sometimes they are key people or philosophies, and sometimes there are provocative statements like “Guns and Nuts.” Also included is a set of page numbers that he expects to get through in the next three sessions. He never actually gets to them on schedule.

Then, when class comes to session, he tells everyone to turn to a particular page in the book that he intends to talk about. And he may actually talk about it some days. Most of the time he says something like, “can you believe what the court did in this case.” And then goes on to explain how the “Republicans” on the court screwed up the decision. Usually, it is because the justices hate black people, poor people, illegal immigrants, and women.

Incidentally, justices may be appointed by Republicans or may be conservative, but they are not actually members of any particular political party.

He will then ask a question of the class that has nothing to do with what happened in this case. Rather, he asks things like “in a class this size, you are telling me none of you have smoked peyote?” Or “Do any of you, who are more inclined to the conservative side, want to defend this ridiculous idea?”

Occasionally, someone will tentatively raise her hand and begin to answer a question (or attempt to ask one) and he will interrupt her at the least opportune time. He often stops people in the middle of their statements simply to change the meaning of the statement about to be made and put words in the individual’s mouth. Sometimes, the interruption is simply to call you stupid. It happened to me.

We were talking in class about federalism and whether the state laboratory idea was a good one. Jimmy Mac was obviously on the side of stronger federal government (because he strangely thinks that arguing for a weaker federal government is racist). I raised my hand and said something like “well, there is something to be said about just moving if you really don’t like the law in that state. I, for instance, plan to move out of Idaho because of the anti-gay marriage amendment passed recently.”

“Well, that’s just stupid to put all your eggs in one basket like that,” Jimmy Mac announced to the entire class.

I immediately had 20 or more IM windows pop up on my computer screen with people saying “holy shit.”

His badgering, name calling, and rude behavior eventually lead to people just remaining silent because there is ultimately not point in yelling at the hurricane.

Further insulting is Jimmy Mac’s use of “so called” as a preface to a variety words or phrases. For example, he often says the “’so called gays,’” “so called ‘feminists,’” “so called ‘states’ rights people,’” “so called ‘African-Americans,’” or “so called liberals.” The preface “so called” carries with it a demeaning connotation that the thing it prefaces is not actually the thing it claims to be. I don’t know what “so called ‘gays’” means except that people who say they are gay are not actually gay.

About 40 minutes into the class, the average person realizes that class is about over and, at the same time, realizes that he’s spent more time reading Wikipedia or IMing than taking notes. At least for me, it’s not because I don’t care about the subject or because the professor’s lack of inflection has lulled me to sleep. Rather, it is because at some point, Jimmy Mac’s gruff and abrasive personality has made me shut down. Even as a liberal, I just don’t want to hear “Republicans are evil,” “Scalia is an idiot,” and “Your thoughts are stupid” for an entire 50 minutes.

Students are not only kept from expressing their opposing views in class, they are also kept from avoiding the whole debacle. After one particularly awful class about gun violence and the mentally ill, some students got up and walked out of the class. Jimmy Mac then took the liberty of calling these individuals at home and reminding them that the attendance policy would be enforced should they not show up to class.

Then, when class is supposed to be over, he runs over long enough to finish his point (or whatever he was saying) and tell the class that he didn’t have the time to get through all he wanted to because [insert name] didn’t teach the class enough. It’s never his fault.

But once class is over for the last time, you have your grade to worry about and, in grading, Jimmy Mac is simply arbitrary. Take last semester as an example.

In Con Law I, the 2Ls took their exam early in the finals weeks. Hoping to be able to study better for the exam, many of the students asked for some form of sample questions. Jimmy Mac refused the request and took down the sample exams from previous years. The students then went out of their way to locate some sample questions in a Kaplan Bar Review book and studied from those questions. When the students showed up for the exam, many of the Kaplan multiple choice questions (I believe it was 27) were on the exam verbatim.

Jimmy Mac found out that the students had studied the questions and subsequently announced that he would be removing those questions from the exam. The resulting e-mail exchange filled 2L and administrator inboxes for days. After some discussion, and a meeting with the deans and a 2L student, Jimmy Mac agreed to keep the questions in the test.

Apparently, after Jimmy Mac turned in the grades, he informed the 2L students that they would not be able to look at their exams unless they wanted him to re-grade their exam. He followed with a warning that he was “just as likely to lower your grade as raise it.”

Two particular problems jump out at me: First, Kaplan’s questions are copyrighted and Jimmy Mac used them to “write” his test. What he did would amount to plagiarism if a student were to do something similar. Just to be clear, I am actually saying that Professor James McDonald, a tenured professor at the University of Idaho College of Law, copied and possibly plagiarized Kaplan’s questions for his 2007 Con Law I test.

The second problem I have is that there is no way to know if he actually kept or removed the questions if students are not able to review their exams without repercussions. Without permission to view their exams, students have no guarantee that he didn’t just assign letter grades at random.

Admittedly, this is only one side of the story and at least a few students will completely disagree with my characterizations (including my fellow editor). Those people may argue that Jimmy Mac is attempting to make students see different sides of the issue or he wants to rile up the class so they will pay attention. I agree; one way to teach a class is to rile them up or defend unpopular ideas. However, the way to do that is to present opposing arguments not verbally insult the other side simply to make a statement. Being offensive for the sake of being offensive serves no pedagogical interest.

For the record, I am not writing this because I got a bad grade or something. In fact, I did far better in Federal Courts than I expected. I write this because it needs to be said and this school needs a better conversation about what is appropriate in the classroom setting.

35 comments:

Anonymous said...

There are many ideas circulating about our dear ol' J-Mac. The bottom line is that he is a very controversial figure at the U of I College of Law. In my opinion, being controversial does not make him a bad person or a bad professor. Sure, he does not spoon feed students the current black letter law; he does not tip toe around various "sensitive issues;" he does not conform to the "make the students feel warm and fuzzy" school of thought (think Professor Seamon). Professor MacDonald is what he is...and I, for one, like what he is. So what if he makes his students angry. When people are angry they think, form opinions, and debate. My advice to those who dislike the Mack...toughen up. Strike up a conversation with Professor MacDonald. You just might learn something.

Anonymous said...

I for one agree with this article. Many people turn off when they are pissed. Other people thrive. But if a professor is making a majority of his students turn off, than he is not doing his job.

Anonymous said...

I would like to talk about two things -- 1) J-Mac and 2) the school in general.

1) J-Mac

You know what's fun about being a Con Law professor in a law school? You can keep your job despite having poor social skills. In fact, you can be a total jackass -- deliberately offensive, cantankerous, and belligerent -- and tell yourself that you're teaching your students First Amendment principles. This rationalization requires much less effort than actually improving the way you interact with other people.

It's a good thing we have law schools -- otherwise there would be a few unemployed lawyers.

Now, for the record. I actually like J-Mac. And if we were friends (i.e. he even knew my name) I would tell him that being rude to people (cutting them off in class and then asking two minutes later why nobody participates) is getting him nowhere.

2) Law School

I think it's funny that schools -- in general -- like to pretend that the principles of capitalism don't apply to them...as if the demand for their services won't decrease if the quality of their service is less than adequate. (See Finals Fiasco 2007)

Dear Faculty: I'm all for improving the future of our law school but I can't help but feel you're focusing a little too much on where you're going to build your next building rather than the students who are in your current building. Can you imagine if we -- as practicing attorneys -- did something similar to our future clients?

Ex. "Yeah...sorry I mis-filed that affidavit for you sir...we've been thinking a lot about moving our office."

I, personally, am all for a move or at least a modification in the law school facilities...but come on people...first things first...get your crap together. Would you have granted anyone of us the same degree of allowance on our exams if we had made similar errors? (see Family Law, Con Law, Property, etc.)

If you want to keep your reputation, make sure the folks who leave your doors only have positive things to say about you (maybe they'll be more likely to donate in the future. By the way, Dean Burnette doesn't even know my name now -- the two occasions I tried speaking to him in the hall he shooed me off like a bug...but if he's still the Dean in 10 years when I have a little money...I'm sure he'll remember it). Kudos.

Anonymous said...

"But if a professor is making a majority of his students turn off, than he is not doing his job."

Quoting the second comment:
First, it is a big assumption that the majority of the students are turned off.
Second, JMac argues rudely with those that disagree with him, guess who is going to be doing that for the rest of your life? Opposing Counsel. Have any idea what is going to happen when opposing counsel turns you off......

Anonymous said...

There's a big difference between arguing "rudely" and "vigorously." I doubt sincerely that opposing counsel will be calling anyone "stupid" in the middle of a court room.

Anonymous said...

There is also a big difference between the court room and law school. We aren't in the court room yet people. That is a lame comparison- "This is just preparing you for what it will be like in the real world." J-Mac isn't getting paid to prepare me for attacks from opposing counsel. He is getting paid to teach, and as Josh has done an excellent job of pointing out- he does a piss-poor job of it.

Anonymous said...

To anonymous @ 10:18

HI JIMMY!!

Anonymous said...

I had JMac during the summer after all the drama of the spring Con Law II class. I had heard several accounts of what had been said by JMac in the spring class and noticed he was not nearly as bad which made me think he had been reprimanded for what happened in the spring. However, he would still interupt people and put words in there mouth before allowing them to make their point.

Anonymous said...

I had JMac during the summer after all the drama of the spring Con Law II class. I had heard several accounts of what had been said by JMac in the spring class and noticed he was not nearly as bad which made me think he had been reprimanded for what happened in the spring. However, he would still interupt people and put words in there mouth before allowing them to make their point.

Anonymous said...

"There is also a big difference between the court room and law school. We aren't in the court room yet people. That is a lame comparison- "This is just preparing you for what it will be like in the real world."

Huh? So if someone is getting paid to prepare you for the real world....the nitty-gritty real world, they should be required to do so without rudeness? That is incredibly naive. Use JMac to teach you the important real world skill of "getting over it". Have you ever seen a judge cut off an attorney in mid-sentence? Is that rude or vigorous? How should the attorney be compensated for the harm caused by the rudeness?

Anonymous said...

J-Mac is a reality in life, get over it. In our work careers we will face people we disagree with, and who disagree with us. We will even find people who have control and power over our careers and paychecks, that we disagree with. It will test our character on how we handle the situation. There will be no "unofficial humor, information and opinion newsletter" to complain about them in...I am not sure why this article is in this publication, as it does not appear meet the rules for publication. Just so you know, I was in that Con Law II class referenced, and I did not agree with J-Mac's choices sometimes, and I did not agree with his presentation/discussion style at times. There are other avenues to submit our concerns with the Professor's teaching style or questionable decisions. I am not sure this is the appropriate forum, as it appears to violate the rules of publication of this newsletter.

RJ said...

I happen to agree that this forum isn't the right one for a purely editorial letter. I enjoy Inter Alia for the humor, dark or otherwise, poorly done or not, at least attempted. It's no secret that I have done some arguing with J. MacDonald, both in class and in his office. The thing is, he does accept criticism. Whether he does anything with it or not is another question entirely. I believe that if you have a beef with someone, you should approach them with it. To their face, and not jump over the person's head. Whether I agree with everything in this article, or with J Mac's methods, I appreciate that Josh had the ganas to put his name on the article.

Anonymous said...

Josh~

I admire that you are willing to express yourself and to take credit for your opinions, because it is a trait that many people do not share.

However, I must concur with "anonymous 7:09 PM" in that this article is out of sync with the mission of Inter Alia, as stated at the top of each issue and in the sidebar of this blog. How is this article not a personal attack against a member of the law school community? Whatever disagreement that may be (legitimately) had with Jimmie Mac (or any other person, for that matter) should be taken to the source, or shared over a beer for a laugh and forgotten. That's what colleagues do.

Either way, I hope that this type of article does not continue to surface on the pages of Inter Alia.

Respectfully, Lacey

Anonymous said...

Seriously?

Inter Alia has rules?

Why?

No...seriously...why?

This must not be that bad of a forum...people are participating.

You're OK Josh.

Mark said...

Anonymous,

I have had what you might call "spirited" exchanges with both Jimmy Mac and Josh. I have expressed my opinion about Jimmy's in class rants to JIMMY and about Josh's IA rant to JOSH.

You can say what you want about the way either party uses the platform available to them (and use whatever forum you choose) but at least be willing to own your words.

If you have a problem open your mouth. Don't sneak off to complain to an administrator or post anonymous criticism.

Some have said that Jimmy is preparing students for the "real world" and others have said it's not his place.

Here's a tip for you:

Prepare yourself for some real world experience. Some day you'll have to help people who have complaints of their own and you'll have to show them how to put their name at the top as plaintiff. You might want to get used to it.

Anonymous said...

"J-Mac offers little learning, lots of controversy"

Really? Were we in the same Con Law II class? Because I learned how to analyze a EP problem. I learned about fundamental rights and substantive due process. I learned the history behind economic due process and the Lochner Era. I learned about the Takings Clause.

I learned even more in Federal Courts. So maybe those of you who insist that MacDonald doesn't teach you anything should contemplate whether that's his fault or yours.

Also, I'd like to add that MacDonald told us very early on in Con Law II that his teaching style was different that what we were used to in that he expects us to have read the material and come to class prepared to discuss it. I personally appreciate a professor who teaches more than just the black letter law, even if I don't always agree with him.

Joshua Studor said...

Oh yeah! Says you. You all are meany mean meany heads.

Anonymous said...

I don't personally know the professor or the author. I have a few foreshadowed opinions about the article relating to its unprofessional, disrespectful and poorly written nature. It lowers my impression of your sad little Law School more than my impression of your teacher.

To the Author,
Do some of your own editing before releasing an article. When you write something like this, let it spill out and fill pages, but then look back through with a critical eye and take out the whining and less important points. I'm one to talk, but also remove the spelling errors and clean up your grammar. Bill probably has something in Microsoft Word that will make you seem smarter.
Grow a spine. I'd be willing to bet that you didn't bring this to the Professor before publishing it. I would also be surprised if you talked to the Professor after class to address any of your now written concerns. College and up is a more respectful/professional learning environment; One in which you can talk to your teachers and politely state why you think they are sh!t heads. Phrase it right and they might even be responsive to criticism.
Prospective students are reading you drivel right now and making decisions about where to go to school. You've influenced that with your article, but in a different way from your intent. I would avoid the school because they allow a person, who reminds me of the rich kid in elementary school whose parents had to pay for everyone else to go to Chucky Cheese just to bump up the attendance for his b-day party, to write bad opinion articles. The kid who never had to suffer through anything and consequently didn't grow up is now going to possibly represent me in the future, that kind of reflect poorly on all of your fellow students who are trying to become law professionals. I wouldn't want to go to school at a place that fostered so little cohesiveness and maturity level equal to middle school.

Grow up and... for the sake of your fellow students and your law school, you should stop writing for the school paper.

Joshua Studor said...

Dear Anonymous,
You obviously don’t go to school at U of I so I really don’t give a damn what your opinion is on the subject. You are neither interesting nor qualified to speak on the subject. I write as a response simply for clarification.
You’re classification of my writing as poor is laughable and typical. As a former journalist I have received many a letter-to-the-editor from people like yourself who 1) don’t have the guts to actually attach their names to their comments and 2) critique writing as a way of making the author sound stupid. It doesn’t work. I know my writing is better than average and my points are still valid.
Numerous people, including myself, have spoken to Professor McDonald about our concerns with his class and have achieved all of nothing. After the particular event I wrote about above, I did speak with the professor in his office and he apologized for it. In fact, he said he would “work on” not interrupting people. The talk – as well as everyone else’s – was less than fruitful.
Furthermore, I took quite a bit of time speaking with administrators and writing in a teacher evaluation all to no avail. I exhausted every avenue possible before I used the power of the pen.
The school allows individuals to speak their minds and publish unpopular (or in my case, popular) opinions because we believe in the First amendment. You, apparently, do not. Furthermore, you know nothing of me and should not make snap judgments about my background. I do not think it is necessary or appropriate to talk about my past or background but, given your comments, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Lastly, debate is healthy. And public debate is the best form of it because it challenges others to form their own opinions. Cohesiveness for cohesiveness’s sake is not a good thing especially in an academic setting. And as for maturity, my article did not have ad hominem attacks (unlike yours or Jimmy Mac’s) or cussing outside of a quote from the professor himself.
Thank you for your opinion as uninformed as it is.

Anonymous said...

Also anonymous at 5:38pm,

Before you go telling someone to edit their work, why don't you take your own advice. I just skimmed your article because I was looking for a short read so I chose the constitution in its original hand written text instead of your post but upon skimming I noticed right away that you missspelled "shithead". Your spelling "sh!thead" is especially troubling because "!" is actually a punctuation mark. When you put it at the end of a sentence it denotes to the reason "Hey, I am excited!" or "I mean business". However, it is not used in the spelling of any words I know....especially "shithead". Also, you made a really good point about impressionable 22 year old college grads reading this blog and deciding not to come to school here. Right now there are probably children at BSU, hell right under out noses here at U of I that read this and said, "Mom and Dad, I disagreed with a blog I read today so I gotta stand up for what's right and in order for me to do that you are going to have to pay out of state tuition."

In closing, keep it straight pimpin Anonymous at 5:18pm

Anonymous said...

Dear Joshie,

Way to be, striving for above average. I know I always try to be slightly better than the bell curve because the majority of people out there are so smart. Just for your information, the word "you're" is a contraction of "you" and "are". I think you probably meant to use the word "your" in the above post.
Let’s get to the meat of what I am writing. Defensive much lately? Please answer a few questions for the readers. Was it your intent to drag down the reputation of your school and paint them as being an impotent institution? Did you give your professor the courtesy of prior notice before publicly trying to ruin his reputation? After your professor apologized and then did not change, did you follow up with him? Are you going to “shut down” when confronted with similar situations in the future? When you walk into a room and hear people laughing, do you immediately wonder if they are laughing at you? Since the above anonymous was incorrect about your past history, was it actually Pizza Hut and not Chucky Cheese that your parent held your birthday at? Do you not realize that quoting the first amendment and then lambasting someone for writing their opinions is a duality you should work on? Do you know how to separate yourself from what you write so as to avoid hurt feelings when people comment on it? How is publishing an opinion article about one individual and directed to all the colleagues of that individual not a direct attack on the aforementioned individual?
You don't need to use a reflexive pronoun when you are directly writing to someone. ie. You should use "from people like you" and not "from people like yourself". Don’t worry about it though, most people make lots of mistakes and you probably make a few less.

Cheers,
Donald

Anonymous said...

Josh,

Wow, just found your tirade. This was just plain mean. I'll gladly admit that I don't agree with JM's methods most of the time, but he did teach me how to analyse a conlaw problem (except free speech, of course ;)

Regardless of whether you're justified in your feelings on the subject, this is not the venue to express them, especialy since this article is not within the "rules" of IA articles, rules that you enstated.

And even if it was appropriate fodder for an IA article, the accusations of testing misconduct and copyright infingement (educational fair use notwithstanding) should be taken up with someone in the administration, or better yet JM himself, and not broadcast on the Internet for the world to see.

Anonymous said...

For those that think Inter Alia isn't the proper venue for airing your displeasure with a faculty member let me ask you this: "Where would you have venue moved to SIR, and why?" I would ask you another question but I am all out of law words like venue. I hope my co-editor will choose a more proper venue (so that he has standing) next time he wishes to publish his opinion...like "The Buzz". Or perhaps venue should be changed to "The Argonaut". Do you know what "I don't think it was the proper venue" equals? It equals "I don't like this article but I am too afraid to express my opinion on the subject at hand so I am going to take the easy way out and voice my opinion on the procedure used to deliver the message." Its a classic political strategy, one that placates to both sides without getting your hands dirty, but don't get me wrong, everyone understands you don't approve....because of the venue. Brave. Look, if you are looking to advance your scholarly opinion but you have to do it anonymously, then by all means, let it all hang out. As co-editor of Inter Alia, I pledge to you that your anonymous opinion will be taken seriously and debated to make sure we get your anonymous point. "Anonymity, its your right, but its my right to call you a coward". Also, Inter Alia has set up a double encrypted phone line that will distort your voice so we can take complaints via answering machine. Proper venue....pfffft, look up from that Civ Pro E&E my friend and pick up a copy of Inter Alia. It's funnier and evidently will hurt your feelings and shock your conscience. (thats fun)

RJ said...

I agree with your views on the anonymous folks and their irrelevance, Eric. I personally doubt most of them have ever offered a submission to the rag good, bad, or otherwise. But at the risk of y'all having to publish an entire issue of Inter Alia devoted to comments on this rant, I feel compelled to respond to you once again. I disagree that the belief of Inter Alia as improper forum for this rant equals a fear of expressing an opinion on the subject. Josh and I have debated this ad nauseam, but the argument comes down to my belief that Inter Alia can be used as a platform for commentary, but that it should be shaded with humor, and Josh's belief that commentary is the same regardless of form. Jon Stewart as opposed to Keith Olberman. (I am not looking up how to spell Olberman, Anonymous, so if it's wrong and you're going to critique my writing, feel free, and then feel free to blow me) I sincerely believe that there is a difference between the commentary I do in Dear, RJ and a purely editorial article that amounts to a diatribe that creates polarization.

Anonymous said...

RJ, your point is well taken. Looking at it again I was certainly over broad.

Anonymous said...

I liked having James McDonald as my professor in ConLaw. He says things to make folks think. Despite the fact that many folks think that people in the real world (lawyers included) will be nice to you and listen to your side of the stories because you are a human being - you will be wrong. You will be wrong because you are a Republican. You will be wrong because you are a Democrat. You will be wrong because you are of a different skin color (white included). You will be wrong because you are a woman. You will be wrong if you are gay. You will be wrong. If you think otherwise you are living the dream and not in reality. I believe that James McDonald projects certain views to see how students react. Sometimes you just need to get your point across even if you are wrong. If you say nothing you will surrender to the other side without having fired a shot, and you will do so because you don't have the stones to stand up for what you believe in. So, for everyone that didn't stand up for what they believed in when Jimmy MacDonald verbally smacked them if the face - F U you weak-ass, no-balls having, wannabe lawyers. You are wrong because you yielded a cause for which you believe - and you did so silently. Or, maybe you said something. Then you shut up because you were arguing with a professor. F that. If someone is wrong. They are wrong. You deserve to be verbally smacked in the face. I sure hope that grow some before you get out into the real world. Your whining gets no love here. Peace. Kinzo

Mar said...

I whole-heartedly agree with Kinzo. He was mentioned in Josh's article as one who was 'verbally abused' by Professor MacDonald in class. Those of us (including Josh) who had Con Law last spring w/ Professor MacDonald and Kinzo should remember that Kinzo never backed down, never let the professor cut him off, and stood up for what he believed was right. And it made for a very interesting class, every single time. If everyone followed Kinzo's lead, there would have been more discourse, and in my opinion, Professor MacDonald would have had to let people finish. Instead, most people ran to the administration or the blogosphere to complain. Kudos to Kinzo, for setting a great example for all of us. We miss you.

I enjoyed Professor MacDonald's class and teaching style. He did not baby us about THE MOST RELEVANT AND EMOTIONAL TOPIC in law school. He didn't walk us through cases. He didn't tell us what to think. He didn't let us go on and on and on about our opinions in class, and yes, he pissed us off. However, that does not make him a bad professor. It's time that law students at the UI College of Law take responsibility for our education. I know that the most successful law students take their education into their own hands and work extremely hard to learn the law in order to become great lawyers. They don't wait for professors to tell them what to think. They hope that professors will supplement what they have already learned from the reading and their own analysis. They don't want professors at law school to baby them like elementary, junior high, high school, or even undergradutate teachers. They want discussion, debate, and stiumulation during class. We are here to learn. On our own. We are lucky to have the relationships we have with most of the law professors. I imagine students at larger schools do not have the same opportunities to converse, debate, and socialize with professors the way we do. We should appreciate and embrace that, instead of stifling it. In a word, RELAX. Having said that, I encourage Josh and other students to voice their opinions in the Inter Alia, in class, in front of the law school, on the phone, in the hallways, at your carrells, or at the bar, at any time. Yay free speech. ~Marisa

Aaron Crary said...

I would like to point out that I thought this article was great. Outrageous articles are going to sell the best. (dont ask me how I know this) Nevertheless I love JMac. I think its all funny; I dont take him serouisly.
My post here is merely to point out that the author's maybe hypocritical stance on inter alia as of late. Last year he was eager to jump on articles that put him and all the whiney liberal's panties in a bunch; those articles that supposedly were directed at a group or individual and made them feel isolated.
Now this article which is no less directed at one person, emotional and negative appears under Mr. Studor's name. Like I said, I didn't agree with the substance of the article (thought the peyote comment was hilarious) but I enjoyed its passion. My only question is now (I wont do this) but does this give me permission to write a negative, emotional article directed towards Josh?

Anonymous said...

1) Nice political and career suicide move Josh

2) The saddest part is this article wasn't funny, and Aaron Crary's was :(

Anonymous said...

Okay, this is the last thing I can post otherwise people will realize I am a blog posting tool (which I am, especially on MMA forums) but I want...no...I NEED to disagree with Kinzo. Absolutely unacceptable (your post). It lacked nicety, and happiness. You seem to write...and not care if you hurt feelings. That's insane.
Kinzo, I am sorry you heard the word "nip" in Professor MacDonald's class. Let us let the healing process begin. I am sorry professor MacDonald was careless (even mean spirited) with your emotions. Just remember, everyday you make it without shedding a tear is a private victory. Just picture that professor as a mean ole parrot in the jungle. Look Kinzo, he's flying away.....he's flying away...happy jungle. Let's have a good day Kinzo, MacDonald can't hurt us........today.

Anonymous said...

Eric. Read Kinzo's post again. I think you are confused.

Be glad that Kinzo is in Maryland right now.

Anonymous said...

I was joking, whether or not he likes me, I have "hung out" with Kinzo once or twice and also, he is smart. He knows me well enough to know my post wasn't serious. Its funny, like all the people that are taking this so seriously. Also, "Eric." isn't a sentence. I should know, I am a big ass editor.

Anonymous said...

Wow, now we are threatening people anonymously too? Thank God I am anonymous, or else Kinzo might come back and kick my ass too, phew! This is out of hand.

Anonymous said...

Personally, I've learned nothing from Prof. MacDonald in class. I've engaged him in discussion both in class and out of class. In class, I've called him on logical fallacy in class and received only pithy ad hominem attacks in return. Out of class, I've done the same, and received well-reasoned responses. Consequently, I've resolved to not participate in class. It's not that I am thin-skinned (unless you ask Sean Beck) but rather that I see no pedagogical value in the utter disrespect with which Prof. MacDonald treats his students. I suppose that this comment is just to say that Prof. MacDonald could possibly be a valuable member of the College of Law's faculty but for some unknown reason, chooses not to be.

-Kyle Schou

Mark said...

I refuse to let Kyle have the last word.

So there...